Washington NORML asks three questions to those against SB 5073

In a recent discussion on Facebook, Washington NORML responds to a questions on our group about 5073:

“who wrote SB 5073? They certainly were trying to undermine the patients it seems.”

The response Washington NORML gave is:

  • “Initially, over the past two years, Senator Jeanne Kohl – Wells and ACLU Drug Policy Director Alison Holcomb, drafted the original bill to protect patients and allow for secure distribution of safe cannabis to patien…ts. In it’s current form, as you can see from the activity on the page – http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=5073&year=2011

My response is:


Rev. Ryan  says: In its initial release at the first of this year it was bad as well. It wasn’t gutted, so much as it only got worse. This bill has never been about protecting patients, its been about limiting dispensaries, and giving control to the industry via an expensive tax structure.

In the “Original Bill” section 301 started off by crossing out provisions for doctors in current like. This lingo was crossed out of current law from the get go:

“((A health care professional shall be excepted from the state’s
25 criminal laws and shall not be penalized in any manner, or denied any
26 right or privilege, for))”

Currently doctors are not included in the state law that offers penalties to doctors in regards to helping patient attain a recommend for medical marijuana. But the legislature started off with removing the exception to the law, and they crossed that lingo out (above).

You can see the original by going to this link.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2011-12/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5073.pdf

Im not saying this bill is all bad, nor did it start out being ALL bad. But it only takes a few bad parts to make the whole law useless, and if patients do not have access to their medicine, because doctors are scared of losing their license over it, then it destroys current laws and protections for doctors and patients.

Why people like NORML EVER supported it is beyond me.  ??

I posted this to Radical Russ from NORML in February about SB 5073

(part1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY35cNJ3-nw
(pat2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=438P3M5qyrM

So when Washington NORML says that it just recently got gutted. That is NOT true. They (the legislature and supportive groups) have been trying to gut 69.51a since this bill originally came out.

Then Washington NORML asked:

Ryan – 3 simple questions in a linear fashion.
1) Do you live in a State of legal dispensaries with arrest protection for patients now? If so, then our work is done as far a medical is concerned – and we can get on to helping Sensible Washi…ngton qualify for the ballot and pass. This is not over by a long shot, even if SB5073 passes.
2)If SB5073 can reduce the number of people that are arrested by even ONE – patients, producers and dispensary operators alike – and if it reduces threats from the feds because the state protects them, than isn’t that is ultimately better for everyone?
3)Can you name anything in our country today, especially used on a regular basis like cannabis, socially or as a medication, that is not taxed and regulated? It would be great if cannabis were free, but what is? It an honest question and a very real observation.

 

  • Washington NORML says 1) Do you live in a State of legal dispensaries with arrest protection for patients now? If so, then our work is done as far a medical is concerned – and we can get on to helping Sensible Washington qualify for the ballot and pass. This is not over by a long shot, even if SB5073 passes.”

Rev Ryan says: NOT a point that I have made against the bill. You’d be better asking someone who has made this point.

  • Washington NORML says “2)If SB5073 can reduce the number of people that are arrested by even ONE – patients, producers and dispensary operators alike – and if it reduces threats from the feds because the state protects them, than isn’t that is ultimately better for everyone?”

Rev Ryan says: If there is anyone that can even obtain a license under the current proposal. When doctors face penalties for recommending cannabis it will be less likely that they do.

Again this is a point that you are making that is not part of my resistance to this bill. My point is about the patient/doctor relationship that is changing under section 301

  • Washington NORML says “3)Can you name anything in our country today, especially used on a regular basis like cannabis, socially or as a medication, that is not taxed and regulated? It would be great if cannabis were free, but what is? It an honest question and a very real observation.”

Rev Ryan says: Im not against taxes. I go to the herb store regularly and buy other non-toxic herbs similar to cannabis, and I pay taxes on those.
The herb store environment is completely fine with me.

I am one of the people going out on tax day every year with my sign that says “Tax me”.

This was a protest I did on tax day in 2009:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMG6xJT1MbY

You want to talk about straw man arguments NORML, you are asking me about points I have never made a concern about.

 

 

Also I don’t know who this “WashingtonNorml” person is, because they refuse to give any accountability.
So I made this video, because I don’t want to pin this on the wrong person.  “WashingtonNORML” is just a name, and anyone can get an account on facebook, and call themselves whatever they want.  So this may not be the real deal, Im not sure.  Here is the video I made about their identity.

 

Ryan – 3 simple questions in a linear fashion.
1) Do you live in a State of legal dispensaries with arrest protection for patients now? If so, then our work is done as far a medical is concerned – and we can get on to helping Sensible Washington qualify for the ballot and pass. This is not over by a long shot, even if SB5073 passes.
2)If SB5073 can reduce the number of people that are arrested by even ONE – patients, producers and dispensary operators alike – and if it reduces threats from the feds because the state protects them, than isn’t that is ultimately better for everyone?
3)Can you name anything in our country today, especially used on a regular basis like cannabis, socially or as a medication, that is not taxed and regulated? It would be great if cannabis were free, but what is? It an honest question and a very real observation.

 


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